Maximizing Social Security Benefits: Key Claiming Strategies for a Longer Retirement
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Social Security claiming decisions should never be made in isolation. The right age depends on health, longevity, current income, work history, marital status, taxes, Medicare costs, and the other assets available to support retirement.
I often see people focus on one question: “How soon can I start receiving a check?” A more useful question is: “How can this decision support reliable income for the rest of my life—and potentially the rest of my spouse’s life?”
For many retirees, delaying benefits can create a larger, inflation-adjusted income stream. For married couples, the decision may also determine how much income the surviving spouse receives after the first spouse dies.
The goal is not to delay at all costs. The goal is to coordinate Social Security with the complete financial plan.
Quick Answers: How Can Social Security Benefits Be Maximized?
1. When is the right time to claim Social Security?
There is no universal claiming age. Health, life expectancy, employment income, available savings, marital status, and cash-flow needs all affect the decision.
Planning note: Eligibility to claim does not automatically mean claiming immediately is the strongest long-term choice.
2. Why consider delaying Social Security until age 70?
After full retirement age, benefits can continue increasing until age 70. For a person whose full retirement age is 67, claiming at 70 can result in a monthly benefit equal to 124% of the full-retirement-age amount.
That larger payment generally continues for life and remains subject to Social Security’s inflation adjustments.
Planning note: The value of delaying is not limited to the first year. The larger monthly amount may continue throughout retirement.
3. Does everyone need to wait until age 70?
No. Poor health, a shorter expected lifespan, limited savings, or an immediate need for income may support an earlier claim.
The decision should reflect both current circumstances and the risk of living longer than expected.
Planning note: Claiming decisions should not be driven only by fear of dying early or fear that the program will disappear.
4. How should longevity affect the decision?
Long-term planning may need to account for living into the mid-90s or beyond. Claiming too early can create a lasting reduction in income if retirement lasts longer than expected.
The greater danger for many retirees is not leaving money behind. It is outliving dependable income.
5. Which spouse should consider delaying?
When one spouse has a significantly larger benefit, delaying the higher earner’s benefit may strengthen income for both spouses.
After the higher earner dies, the surviving spouse may become entitled to the higher of the two benefit amounts rather than continuing both checks.
Planning note: A coordinated strategy should consider the surviving spouse’s future income, not merely the household’s first year of retirement.
6. Can one spouse claim while the other waits?
Yes. One spouse may claim earlier to support current cash flow while the higher earner delays until age 70.
Both spouses may also delay when sufficient income is available from other sources. The appropriate combination depends on the household’s broader plan.
7. Why should an updated Social Security statement be reviewed?
An updated statement shows estimated benefits at different claiming ages and provides a record of reported earnings.
Recent high-income years may increase the future benefit, especially when those years replace a zero or lower-earning year in the calculation.
Planning note: Estimates used several years ago may no longer reflect the current earnings record.
8. Should Social Security be claimed while still working?
Continuing to work may add high-earning years to the record and increase the eventual benefit. That possibility should be evaluated before starting payments.
Social Security generally uses the highest 35 years of earnings when calculating retirement benefits.
9. How can Medicare affect the amount deposited?
Medicare premiums are commonly deducted directly from Social Security payments. Income-related Medicare adjustments can reduce the net check further.
A person may therefore receive less in the bank than the gross Social Security award suggests.
Planning note: The stated benefit and the amount deposited are not always the same.
10. Can Social Security benefits become taxable?
Yes. Wages, interest, dividends, municipal bond interest, and half of Social Security benefits can be included in the provisional-income calculation.
Depending on filing status and provisional income, as much as 85% of Social Security benefits may be included in taxable income.
11. How can Roth income affect Social Security taxation?
Qualified Roth IRA distributions generally do not enter the provisional-income calculation described here. That can make Roth assets valuable when coordinating retirement income and Social Security taxation.
Roth conversions may create taxes in the conversion year, so the timing and amount must be coordinated carefully.
12. Will Social Security still exist in the future?
Future benefits or age-related rules may change. However, retirement planning should not assume that the entire program will simply vanish.
A prudent plan can acknowledge the possibility of adjustments without making a permanent claiming decision based entirely on distrust.
Delaying Social Security Can Increase Lifetime Retirement Income
The strongest reason to delay is not the percentage increase by itself. It is the opportunity to lock in a larger inflation-adjusted payment for each remaining year of life.
For someone with a full retirement age of 67, waiting until 70 can produce a benefit equal to 124% of the full-retirement-age amount. That increase can influence both personal retirement income and the income eventually available to a surviving spouse.
Key considerations include:
- Benefits can continue increasing after full retirement age until age 70.
- The larger monthly benefit generally continues for life.
- Social Security benefits receive inflation adjustments.
- The decision becomes more valuable when retirement lasts longer than expected.
- The higher benefit may support a surviving spouse after the first death.
- Delaying must still be affordable within the complete income plan.
Waiting is not automatically appropriate for every person. A serious health condition, a limited life expectancy, or insufficient alternative income may justify claiming sooner.
I prefer to test the decision against multiple possible lifespans rather than building an entire plan around the assumption that death will occur at a particular age.
A person who expects to die at 85 may still live to 95. The claiming strategy should account for that possibility before permanently reducing a lifetime income source.
For a deeper look at timing decisions, review When Should I Claim My Social Security Benefits?.
Married Couples Need a Coordinated Claiming Strategy
Social Security is not simply an individual decision for married couples. The timing of one spouse’s claim may affect household income now and survivor income later.
When one spouse has the larger earnings record, delaying that spouse’s benefit can create a higher potential payment for the surviving spouse. If cash flow requires one person to claim earlier, the lower earner may be the more logical benefit to start first.
Possible approaches include:
- One spouse claims while the higher earner delays.
- One spouse waits until full retirement age while the other waits until 70.
- The higher-earning spouse delays while the lower earner claims sooner.
- Both spouses delay when other assets can support current spending.
- The strategy is tested against each spouse’s health and expected longevity.
- Survivor income is evaluated before either application is submitted.
After the first spouse dies, the household does not continue receiving both full Social Security checks. The lower benefit generally ends, and the surviving spouse keeps the higher eligible amount.
That makes the higher earner’s claiming age especially important. A decision that appears to affect only one person may shape the surviving spouse’s income for many additional years.
Marriage-duration rules can also create hard eligibility boundaries. A 10-year marriage requirement may apply when claiming on a former spouse’s earnings record, making accurate dates and eligibility details essential.
Related benefit-switching and coordination issues are discussed in Switching Social Security Benefits.
Review the Earnings Record Before Filing
A Social Security estimate is only as useful as the information behind it. Before making a claiming decision, I recommend reviewing the current statement, projected benefits, and reported earnings history.
The statement can reveal meaningful differences among claiming at 62, full retirement age, and 70. It may also show that the expected benefit has increased since an older financial plan was prepared.
Important review steps include:
- Create and secure an online Social Security account.
- Confirm that the earnings history is complete.
- Compare estimated payments at several claiming ages.
- Review the statement again after additional high-income years.
- Update retirement projections every year or two.
- Evaluate whether continued work may replace a zero or low-earning year.
Social Security generally considers the highest 35 years of earnings. A strong income year near retirement may replace a much lower year from earlier in a career and increase the calculated benefit.
This is one reason I hesitate to recommend claiming while someone is still earning at or near a career-high level. The final working years may be more valuable than an old estimate suggests.
Securing the online account also matters. Establishing access before benefits are needed can reduce the risk of someone else attempting to create an account using stolen personal information.
Medicare Premiums Can Reduce the Net Social Security Check
The gross Social Security benefit is not always the amount that reaches the bank account. Medicare premiums are commonly deducted directly from the monthly payment.
Higher income may also trigger an income-related monthly adjustment amount, commonly called IRMAA. That additional Medicare charge can further reduce the net Social Security deposit.
The complete cash-flow calculation should account for:
- The gross Social Security benefit.
- Standard Medicare premiums.
- Any income-related Medicare adjustment.
- Federal income-tax withholding, when elected.
- The effect of other income on future Medicare costs.
- The timing of Roth conversions and other taxable transactions.
A retiree may see a noticeable reduction in the first payment after a new Medicare adjustment takes effect. That change can be surprising when the retirement plan was based only on the gross Social Security estimate.
This is why claiming strategy, Medicare planning, investment income, and tax planning should be evaluated together. A decision in one area can change the amount available for spending in another.
For a related discussion of Medicare surcharges and tax planning, see Moving to Tax-Free in 8 Steps.
Social Security Taxation Depends on the Rest of the Income Plan
Social Security taxation cannot be evaluated by looking at the benefit alone. The calculation described here considers provisional income, which can include wages, dividends, taxable interest, municipal bond interest, and half of Social Security benefits.
Municipal bond interest may be exempt from federal income tax, but it can still enter the provisional-income calculation. That distinction is often overlooked.
Depending on provisional income and filing status:
- A portion of Social Security may be included in taxable income.
- As much as 85% of benefits may become taxable.
- Municipal bond interest can affect the calculation.
- Taxable retirement-account withdrawals can increase provisional income.
- Qualified Roth IRA withdrawals generally do not enter the calculation.
- Conversions may create short-term taxes while repositioning future income.
A Roth conversion can therefore involve a tradeoff. Paying tax during the conversion period may help move assets into an account capable of producing qualified tax-free distributions later.
There may also be years when paying some tax on Social Security is acceptable because a larger long-term conversion strategy is underway. The decision should be measured across the full retirement horizon rather than judged by a single tax return.
The broader objective is to reduce the tax drag on retirement income while preserving flexibility. Hosler Wealth Management’s tax-planning services provide additional information about Roth conversion planning and coordinated retirement strategies.
A Social Security Decision Belongs Inside the Full Financial Plan
Claiming decisions affect far more than the first monthly payment. They interact with portfolio withdrawals, taxes, Medicare premiums, Roth conversions, required distributions, survivor income, and the amount of dependable income available late in life.
A coordinated analysis should examine:
- Current and expected health.
- Reasonable longevity scenarios.
- Each spouse’s earnings record.
- Available income before Social Security begins.
- Portfolio assets and withdrawal needs.
- Taxable and tax-free income sources.
- Medicare premiums and possible IRMAA adjustments.
- Survivor income after the first spouse dies.
- The timing of Roth conversions.
- The household’s need for guaranteed income.
The planning question is not simply whether claiming at 62, 67, or 70 produces the largest immediate check. The real question is how each option affects the household over several decades.
That analysis may show that delaying is valuable. It may also show that an earlier claim is appropriate because of health, cash flow, or another financial constraint.
The right strategy is the one that fits the complete plan—not the strategy that relies on a rule of thumb.
Guided Follow-Up FAQ
How Does Longevity Change the Claiming Decision?
A longer retirement gives a larger delayed benefit more years to support spending.
The next question that comes up is…
What Happens If Life Expectancy Is Shorter?
A serious health condition or clearly reduced life expectancy may make an earlier claim more reasonable. The decision should be based on realistic health and financial information rather than emotion alone.
Planning note: Long-life planning should still be tested unless the circumstances strongly support a shorter horizon.
The next question that comes up is…
What If Social Security Benefits Are Reduced in the Future?
A financial plan can model the possibility of lower future payments without assuming that benefits will disappear entirely. Potential program changes may include adjustments to benefits, taxation, covered wages, or future claiming ages.
Planning note: Fear of a possible future adjustment should not automatically trigger an irreversible claim today.
How Should Couples Compare Their Benefits?
Start with each spouse’s current statement and compare benefits at multiple claiming ages. Then calculate the household income while both spouses are alive and the income available after either spouse dies.
The next question that comes up is…
Why Does the Higher Earner’s Benefit Matter So Much?
The higher benefit may become the surviving spouse’s payment after the first death. Delaying the higher earner’s claim can therefore help protect the survivor’s future income.
Planning note: Two checks may become one check, while many household expenses continue.
The next question that comes up is…
Can Both Spouses Wait Until 70?
Yes, when other income and assets can support the household during the waiting period. Both spouses delaying may maximize their respective monthly benefits, but affordability and health still need to be evaluated.
What Should Be Checked Before Applying?
Review the earnings history, updated benefit estimates, marital eligibility details, Medicare deductions, tax consequences, and the effect on the surviving spouse.
The next question that comes up is…
How Often Should the Social Security Statement Be Reviewed?
Reviewing the statement every year or two can reveal updated estimates and possible earnings-record problems. A new high-earning year may also change the projected benefit.
Planning note: A claiming analysis based on an old statement may no longer reflect the available benefit.
The next question that comes up is…
Should the Application Be Treated as a Standalone Administrative Task?
No. The filing decision should follow the financial analysis rather than begin it. Once the strategy is clear, the application can be completed to match the intended claiming approach.
Additional Educational References:
- Social Security Administration: Delayed Retirement Benefits
- Social Security Administration: Delayed Retirement Credits and Survivor Benefits
- Social Security Administration: Survivor Full Retirement Age
Summary
A strong Social Security strategy coordinates claiming age, longevity, spousal and survivor income, earnings history, Medicare costs, and taxation within one comprehensive retirement plan.
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Protecting and Preserving Wealth Episode 91- Maximizing Social Security Benefits – Key Claiming Strategies
Speakers: Bruce Hosler, Jason Hosler, Alex Koury, & Jon Gay
[Music playing]
Jon Gay (00:08):
Welcome back to Protecting and Preserving Wealth. I’m Jon Gay, I’m joined by Jason Hosler, Bruce Hosler, and Alex Koury of Hosler Wealth Management. Always good to be with you guys.
Bruce Hosler (00:17):
Good morning, Jon.
Jason Hosler (00:18):
Good to see you, Jon.
Alex Koury (00:19):
Hey, Jon.
Jon Gay (00:19):
Alright, so today we’re talking about maximizing social security benefits. These are key claiming strategies that are going to be so important as you reach this phase of your life. So, let me start with a pretty basic question, guys: when is the right time to claim your benefits?
Bruce Hosler (00:35):
Jon, that is the question, and it cannot be answered easily because there are a lot of variabilities. People’s health, their other financial situations. If you don’t have any other sources of income, you may be required to claim them earlier than you want to.
But the right time needs to be considered and planned for. And we have Social Security- actual planning calculators that give us all the options. And so, it’s important to think about how they maximize that if they can do that.
The other thing, Jason and Alex (and I think you can talk to our audience about this), we run into people that they don’t think they’re going to live very long. We run into people that don’t trust the government to pay the benefits.
Jason Hosler (01:29):
One of the most interesting things I came across in some of my economic research was the story out of Romania. Now, Romania is a country that was under Soviet rule, and after the end of the Soviet Union and the liberalization of Eastern Europe, they had a lot of struggles.
And specifically, you might recall the Romanian revolution and how bloody that was and some of the awful things that went on in that country. Well, here we are, 30+ years later, and people in Romania are still receiving the same Soviet pensions that they were promised decades and decades ago. All of these decades after the Western liberation occurred. Now-
Bruce Hosler (02:14):
Jason, you said 30 years ago. I think you mean longer than that.
Jason Hosler (02:18):
Yeah, it is more than that. So, all of these years they’ve had to pay those pensions, and the reason is politically, there’s no government that could have formed there that would’ve been able to renegotiate, completely, those obligations. The entire society depended on those pensions to be able to plan for their future.
So, while perhaps social security payouts might change in the future, maybe they change age-related rules. What I tell people who are worried about social security being there, is that there is no way that any government in the United States could ever completely give up those obligations to its citizens.
There’s going to be some form of social security. What that form might be- we might not be able to predict for sure, but there’s going to be some form. I’m very confident in the future.
Bruce Hosler (03:03):
Alex, what about these clients that … and when we run some of the calculations, like the second idea we had here was delaying until age 70 to get the maximum benefit. Some people, they don’t think they’re going to live that long.
But we look at what health and AI is doing and everything like that, and we’re looking at the clients, and we’re like, “I don’t know how you can think that,” because they’re probably going to live longer than that. Address that a little bit.
Alex Koury (03:30):
We want to really focus on, again, holistic financial planning, long-term planning. We believe that everyone should be planning for a 95 to 100-year age in which you live. And when you put in that perspective, if you can afford to wait for taking benefits at age 70, you’re going to be able to maximize your benefits to the highest guarantees you’re going to get of any of your income sources.
And once you hit the full retirement age, which is about 67-years-old, your benefits are increasing every year by 8% guaranteed. And I don’t care who your money manager is, what they tell you — no one can give you that guarantee in terms of your investment return to your portfolio.
But the social security benefits are again, those guaranteed rates that we want to lock in. And that creates longer-term wealth for you and your family depending on what your goals are. More guaranteed money is the key because if we talk about our bucketing strategy a little bit, we want to make sure that you can always have 10 years’ worth of income at any one point in given time.
This leads to the best result, and we’ll talk about this later on. But if you are married, making sure that your spouse who survives you will potentially get the biggest benefit as they would assume your social security benefits sometime in the future.
Jon Gay (04:49):
See, I want to jump in here for a second, guys, because obviously everybody’s individual circumstance is different, and there may be folks who are reasonably confident they’re not going to live a long life, whatever their health situation may be.
But I would say, what’s worse? You outliving your money or your money outliving you? And I think the worst would be you do live longer than you expected, and you lost out on some of these benefits because you claimed it too early.
Bruce Hosler (05:17):
And I want to clarify what Alex said. He’s absolutely right. Between ages 67 and 70, the benefit increases 8% a year, and you think, okay, well, so you’ve got those three years, that’s 24% more. But really, by delaying it’s up to 124%.
And here’s the important stuff: it’s not one year. It’s every year for the rest of your life and every year for the rest of the life of your spouse. And on top of that, it’s inflation-adjusted. So, it’s just not a rate of return, it’s inflation-adjusted. It’s the largest public pension there is in the United States.
Jason Hosler (06:00):
You touched on something just a moment ago, I want to pull back up because people get emotional about conversations about end of life and how long they’re going to live. It’s hard sometimes for people to think rationally about that.
And so, I have one client who comes to mind. He insists that there’s no way he’s going to live past 85. And so, in all of our planning, he has had us adjust it down to show him living only to 85. Well, that’s all fine, but what if he ends up living till 95?
And so, as planners, we’re looking at that long-term, and we’re seeing in our clients- people losing weight with the peptides. We’re seeing the population effects of this medical science changing how long people live.
But I’ve also got a client in his 60s with COPD that most likely isn’t going to last more than a couple of years. It does vary between people, but people need to also recognize that the emotional connection to dying doesn’t have to mean you make this decision based on fear.
Bruce Hosler (07:03):
That’s such great insight, Jason. But I want to move on to how couples can plan together. And there’s this whole idea of maybe one claims early and the other one delays till age 70. Or maybe, they wait, and she claims at her full retirement age of 67 and he waits till 70.
Or maybe if she was the higher wage earner, she’s the one that waits till 70, and he claims earlier. Or maybe if they’re like, “We want the maximum amount, we want to both claim at 70.” Alex, sometimes we run into these people, they don’t trust the system at all.
And we know, we’ve just heard the trustee report just came out in the last two weeks, that if the government does not make any changes, that social security recipients will lose 22% of their benefits in the fourth quarter of 2032.
What is our firm belief about what’s going to happen to these benefits and we think it’s shortsighted for people to think? I’m not saying that there’s not going to be any cut in benefits. There’s likely some adjustment in benefits, but what’s the other side of that, Alex, and why is that likely?
Alex Koury (08:16):
The other side of it is really the following, is that there’s many levers that can be pulled by the government to continue to fill those coffers, to continue to pay out these claims for social security. They could increase the amount of your wages that are taxed for social security purposes. They could make us younger kids and working folks wait longer to take benefits in the future.
Jon Gay (08:41):
Thanks for calling us kids, by the way. I appreciate that.
Alex Koury (08:42):
I know, right? Yeah, that’s me too. But if you’ve got all these folks that are voting every year, what politician out there is going to vote for cutting benefits and reducing benefits? Zero. It doesn’t matter if you’re Republican or Democrat, it’s a very big issue.
We have pretty much all Baby Boomers are now almost retired, so you have the biggest voting cohort out there. They will find a solution. It just takes some time and some massaging to figure this out.
But from a prudent standpoint, I think you should think about again, the potential of your benefits being cut in some way, shape, or form in your bigger picture. But our firm belief is still that benefits will still be there in one way, shape, or form.
Bruce Hosler (09:22):
I just received notice this morning that one of our longtime clients passed away yesterday.
Jon Gay (09:28):
Oh, sorry to hear.
Bruce Hosler (09:29):
And it saddens me because he was a great client for a couple of decades now. But I think about his dear sweet wife and coordinating benefits for spouses. This whole idea of having one spouse wait until age 70.
Jason, talk about our planning. We feel like this is an important option, and usually, we want to pick the spouse that was the higher-earning spouse to wait to claim their benefits. Talk to our listeners about why that’s so important.
Jason Hosler (10:02):
Yeah, the spousal benefit is one of the most powerful features of social security. Because if you’ve been married to someone for more than 10 years, you can claim based off of their work history record.
So, even if you have your own work history record or no work history record with Social Security, if you’ve been married for 10 years to someone, then you can claim off their work record. And it’s a hard cutoff, and we have actually seen that play out very poorly.
I have a client of mine who was married for 9 years and 10 months and her husband died and was not able to claim off his work record, by two months, (when) he died. So, it is a hard cliff within the law. But if you qualify for that benefit, it’s very powerful because you’re claiming off of their work record.
So, the higher-earning spouse, generally, in most situations, we’re going to recommend that they delay claiming off of their work record for getting the maximum benefit at age 70. That way the spouse with that highest-earning work record has locked in the maximized benefit for both spouses for their lifetimes.
So, if the spouse with that work record passes away and spouse B, who has a lower payout from Social Security (if they’ve already claimed), she steps up to that higher benefit, and as long as she’s alive, she would continue to receive that higher benefit.
You could still have both spouses delay to maximize the benefit. But if you’re wanting to (for cash flow reasons, for other reasons within a financial plan) have one of the spouses claim early, it’s the larger one that’s going to benefit both spouses more by delaying claiming off of their record.
Jon Gay (11:56):
It’s funny that the 10 years is such a hard cutoff. It’s reminding me of a conversation I had with my wife this morning where I stuck my foot in my mouth. I said, “Well, we’ve been married 10 years.” She said, “Actually, we’ve been married nine.” And I said, “Oh, it just feels like 10.”
[Laughter]
And that was not my smartest moment of the week.
Bruce Hosler (12:13):
No, no. I hope you’ve recovered from that. Alex, I want to cover for our listeners for a second, though. So, in the case, let’s say he’s the higher earner and he passed away and his spouse has a lower benefit, what happens when he passes away? What happens to her benefits so the clients understand exactly how the mechanics of social security works when the first spouse passes.
Alex Koury (12:41):
If the first spouse passes away, social security takes a look at those benefits and says, “Of the surviving spouse, who has the higher of the two benefits?” And what happens is social security takes away the lower-paying benefit to the surviving spouse, but the surviving spouse also maintains or earns the higher of those two payouts for the rest of their lives.
That’s as easy as you can have to think about it. So, people don’t ever want to lose the income source. So, if you can maximize at 70, that possibility there, you’re going to lock in your highest-earning social security check for the rest of the surviving spouse’s life. That’s a big, big deal in the future when that first spouse passes away.
Bruce Hosler (13:24):
There’s a couple of nuances I just want to cover that is kind of outside of our material, but I just want to remind our listeners about it. So, if you have not claimed social security yet, you may not realize that when you turn 65, you can begin claiming Medicare.
But what a lot of listeners may not know is that your Medicare premiums are withdrawn or deducted from your social security benefits. That affects your social security benefit because those Medicare premiums are withdrawn.
And if your income goes too high and you’re subject to IRMAA (income-related monthly adjustment amount), they adjust your Medicare premiums. That also comes off your social security. So, if you’re subject to an IRMAA penalty of $200, $300, $400 a month, then on top of your regular Medicare, that comes off your Social Security benefits.
That can sometimes surprise a Social Security recipient when they have their Social Security in January; that first payment, it goes down a big chunk because they’re subject to IRMAA. So, people need to know that that comes right off of your social security benefits.
Jon Gay (14:38):
Speaks to the importance of knowing the entire picture, Bruce.
Alex Koury (14:42):
One thing I want to mention about that (knowing the bigger picture) is what I’ve been working on with clients (especially those that are kind of getting antsy about taking social security), is I’m having them go download their most recent statement from the ssa.gov website.
And what we’re finding is that a lot of clients, they have more benefits than we initially had planned for. And so, that’s a game changer because now they can see, “Hey, there’s more money available for me.” It still makes even more sense to wait than even maybe five or six years ago when we ran the initial calculations, that’s number one.
Number two is if you’re still working, no way, shape, or form should you even think about taking social security until you’re finished. Because if you have any of your highest earning years left, you may get bigger benefits in the future than you realize you’re going to receive. So, always be looking at your updated numbers at least once every year or two.
Jon Gay (15:37):
Alex, it’s funny you mentioned that. Great minds think alike. As the three of you were talking, I actually opened up mine at ssa.gov. And I’m looking at what I’d get if I retired at 62, what I’d get per month if I retired at 67, or what I’d get if I waited till 70, and there is a large, large difference.
So, I’m glad you brought that up. It’s really important to look at.
Bruce Hosler (15:55):
And it’s every year for the rest of your life, Jon. That’s the thing. I want to cover a couple of things that are very important. We may have some listeners that may be in their 40s or 50s, and they think, “Well, I don’t need to go in and look at my statement.”
Jon Gay (16:08):
Hey, I’m 45 and I just looked at it right now.
Bruce Hosler (16:11):
I want to encourage all of you, if you have not claimed your ssa.gov account (ssa.gov), you need to go on there and claim that. Because if the bad guys go claim your account, if they have your information, they can claim it and you can’t get in.
So, everybody needs to go to ssa.gov and claim their own account and have access to their Social Security portal, that’s very important.
Jason Hosler (16:40):
Just a note on that for our listeners: there is two logins available now through ssa.gov. They are integrating that with the new id.me login. So, if you’ve created that for another IRS website or other government service, that login is tied now through ssa.gov.
Bruce Hosler (17:00):
The other thing that I want them to think about is the mechanics of social security is they look at your top 35 earning years. And so, Alex hit it on the top. If you’re toward the end of your retirement and you’re in your highest earning years, if you just work one more year, you may kick off a zero or a very low on the backend early on in your career.
That big salary qualifies you for a bigger benefit. So, you need to look at that math a little bit as well because you have higher earnings and higher benefits because of those continuing years that you continue to work.
Well, in closing up here, guys, we want to talk about creating a coordinated claiming strategy. Jason, is there anything that you want to share with our listeners on how we coordinate that and how we recommend the clients do that?
Jason Hosler (17:54):
A Social Security claiming strategy really needs to be integrated with a full comprehensive wealth management and financial plan. Because you have to look at your health situation, you need to look at the rest of your financial situation and your income. You need to look at your earning histories.
So, you need to integrate it with a holistic approach to your entire financial plan because there’s different aspects of that plan that could affect how you claim. So, I think that everyone needs to sit down with a professional to map out their foundational financial plan for their lives and find out how their social security strategy is going to integrate with that.
Bruce Hosler (18:35):
So, Alex, in a final note, as the author of Moving to Tax-Free and as an office that specializes in tax-free income, we know and believe that social security can be tax-free if somebody has arranged all their other assets.
Just address that topic for a second on the provisional income and what clients can do if they’re wise on getting their other income into that tax-free bucket, how it can benefit their social security benefits.
Alex Koury (19:06):
When we figure out what your taxations of your social security benefits are, like Bruce mentioned, we’re talking about provisional income, so that’s going to be wages, dividends, and interest. Municipal bond interest even counts as provisional income. You say, “Well, muni bond interest is tax-free, Alex.”
Well, yes, it is. But for the calculation of your benefits, it’s actually included in your provisional income. So, you have to think about that plus half of your social security benefits. And when they add all that up together based on your single or married filing jointly, you fall into different brackets. Based on those brackets, 85% of your benefits could be taxable.
So, why we preach doing Roth conversions as part of our process and moving even taxable money to tax-free assets is that when you take a Roth IRA distribution from your Roth IRA, yes, it is tax-free, number one. Number two, it does not count towards your provisional income.
That’s a big, big deal that I don’t think people really understand enough of that. Because you want to maintain and retain as much of your social security benefits as possible to have a reduced tax drag or tax burden that’s really hidden because you don’t really feel it. But longer term, it does show up in your financial plan results.
Bruce Hosler (20:21):
So, folks, what I want to finish up here with is if you have a few years that you’re receiving social security, let’s say from 65 to 70 or from 70 to 75, and you’re still in your Roth conversion years before your RMDs, it’s okay to have to pay some taxes on your social security.
Because if you get to tax-free, if you get all your IRAs converted and you move your other taxable money into a LIRP, and now you’re almost all tax-free — I had some poster card clients that were just in earlier this year. And we’ve got them moved across, and now they have a couple hundred thousand of income a year, including their social security benefits, but they’re not paying taxes on their social security benefits.
Well, a married couple, if each of them (is) getting $35,000 a year, that could be $70,000 of social security benefits that could be 100% tax-free if you’ve repositioned all your other stuff. So, we always want to be thinking about minimizing the taxes on our social security benefits, that will make your whole retirement last longer.
Jon Gay (21:23):
That’s a great way to put a bow on it, Bruce. And one thing I’ll add before we wrap up: we opened the conversation talking about age of claiming social security and life expectancy, which, of course, gears toward an older audience. But as I said a moment ago, I’m 45 and I just looked at it.
And as Jason just said too, claim your ID and your benefits and your login on the website now. And if you haven’t looked at it yet, you’ll learn a lot about your work history and your expected social security income just by taking a quick spin through the website like I just did.
So, if anybody listening wants to talk to you guys about moving to tax-free social security claiming or anything related to their financial future, what are the best ways to find you?
Bruce Hosler (22:03):
Certainly, on the web, hoslerwm.com. And in Prescott, Jason, how do they get to you?
Jason Hosler (22:08):
Give me a call: (928)-778-7666.
Bruce Hosler (22:13):
And Alex in Scottsdale?
Alex Koury (22:15):
(480)-994-7342.
Jon Gay (22:18):
Great stuff, guys. We’ll talk again in a couple weeks.
Bruce Hosler (22:21):
Thank you, Jon.
Jason Hosler (22:22):
Thanks, Jon.
Alex Koury (22:23):
Bye, Jon.
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